overchrome

Re: Hard Chrome Anodes? STEEL?

I currently use lead/tin anodes to plate with HARD CHROME. I was recently in a bind and made the choice to use an all steel anode to plate a internal bore of a piece of tubing.

I now hear that this is not recommended. My question is what would the issue be with the steel anode? The item was in the solution for less then 2 hours. The chrome came out with the size I wanted, no pitting, and it adhered to the base item. This is not a anode that is left in the tank, it is a one maybe two time use item.

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DustinGebhardt

Re: Hard Chrome Anodes? STEEL?

In my experience, steel anodes have their use but can be problematic.  The main problem stems from the fact that the steel is consumed during the process.  The steel is not inert like the tin/lead anodes.  As the current is passed through the steel, it dissolves the steel.  This can cause contamination of the chrome bath if used frequently.  Also, as the steel is being consumed, the dimensions of the anode are changing.  The anode gets smaller, and presumedly farther from the part, which limits the amount of current it can pass (without modifying the voltage).  It is also likely that the steel piece will become deformed and can cause uneven plating.  In rare cases, it can also become so thin that it will bend under its own weight and touch the work piece, causing a short.

I've used steel anodes before, but only until I could get something better.  In a job shop, you may not have that luxury.  But then again, you should expect to have more problems than a captive shop while running virtually every conceivable part under the sun.

-Dustin Gebhardt,
CEF
Plating Engineer
Danaher Tool Group
Gastonia, NC

overchrome

Re: Hard Chrome Anodes? STEEL?

I am just glad that the anode worked. We are a job shop. The 10" diameter X 8' long steel pipe was alot cheaper then one made of lead. We didn't notice a loss of current as we had the rectifier running at about 95% of full load. As far as addding iron to the bath, hopefully it is nothing that turning that large steel anode into a giant electro-magnet can't fix.smile

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DustinGebhardt

Re: Hard Chrome Anodes? STEEL?

overchrome;1231 wrote:

As far as addding iron to the bath, hopefully it is nothing that turning that large steel anode into a giant electro-magnet can't fix.smile

I'd be pretty impressed if you could remove dissolved iron with an electromagnet like this one.  People use a similar principle when they filter their chrome with a porous pot, but there the contaminated solution is contained. 

The dissolved steel anode won't create iron filings or small pieces, but instead it will dissolve as iron ions (Fe+2, Fe+3) in the bath.  These cations might be attracted to an electromagnet, but can and will quickly dissociate away.

-Dustin Gebhardt,
CEF
Plating Engineer
Danaher Tool Group
Gastonia, NC

skelton

Re: Hard Chrome Anodes? STEEL?

Wow!! This is some intense tech-talk on Hard Chrome. But I need some clarity, all this talk about inert anodes and electro-magnets has me baffled. Moreso, I am just being active and participating, thanks to Overchrome for planting a seed on this topic and thanks also to Dustin for helping sew the seed.

Now....million dollar questions for both of you:

Dustin, what levels of iron contamination can a hard chrome process resist before failures in the deposit occur?

Also, why is tin/lead inert in chromic acid vs. iron or steel?

Overchrome, I saved the best question for last......
What the hell do you mean....."hopefully it is nothing that turning that large steel anode into a giant electro-magnet can't fix.smile"??? I am scratching my head trying to determine what this means. I am familiar with the "dummy plate", the porous pot and now, I am getting ready to learn of the "electro-magnet"!!
Although, I do respect your ingenuity in supplementing your auxiliary anode with a steel pipe. You are a MacGyver of MacHard Chrome!!! Dig.

I look forward to your responses....inquiring minds want to know!!!!

happy new year!!!!cool

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skelton

Re: Hard Chrome Anodes? STEEL?

Oh!!! This is getting good!! I am typing and Dustin's lighting up the board too!! It is going to be a Happy New Year after all!!!!!

My thoughts exactly on the dissolved iron contaminants, filtration for the insoluble(s) and porous pot for the "tri-" and other "stuff". But most of all, if you going to "knowingly" contaminate your bath, and it makes good sense to do so from a costs perspective. You need to know what thresholds you can remain productive with, meaning, buy yourself a porous pot, be aware of the iron levels in your bath and re-consider the use of steel vs. lead/tin, lead or other aux. anodes.

Peace.cool

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overchrome

Re: Hard Chrome Anodes? STEEL?

EDIT:Sorry needed to delete post my network keeps resetting before I can get the post finished.

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DustinGebhardt

Re: Hard Chrome Anodes? STEEL?

skelton;1234 wrote:

Dustin, what levels of iron contamination can a hard chrome process resist before failures in the deposit occur?

It will vary depending upon who you talk to.  I've got more experience with decorative chrome where 2opg of metallic contamination (zinc, copper, nickel, iron, lead, etc) is generally considered on the high end and as you get higher than 3 or 4opg your plating range gets much smaller.  For hard chrome, this is much less of a problem due to the (usually) lower chrome/sulfate ratio and (usually) higher current densities.

To directly answer your question: it is up to the plater to determine what levels are acceptable.  As your metallic contamination levels grow, the chrome deposit will become more impure, leading to potential failures in the field.  Personally, I'd invest in a porous pot (or multiple pots) to maintain the metallics less than 2opg total.

skelton;1234 wrote:

Also, why is tin/lead inert in chromic acid vs. iron or steel?

Lead anodes form an insoluble lead peroxide film on their surface when a current is applied.  This is the "chocolate brown" film that you sometimes hear described.  This layer also protects the underlying lead metal from attack from the chrome bath.  As the current is removed and the anodes are allowed to sit in the bath, the peroxide layer breaks down.  The lead is then exposed to the chrome bath.  Lead chromates can form, which are inhibitors to current flow.  They can form a crusty, flaky deposit that is yellow in color and can be very stubborn to remove.  There are specific descalers for this problem available from your chemical supplier.  Recent research has shown that an excess of mist-suppressant can increase the problem of the chromate scale.

The tin in the anodes makes the anodes more rigid.  Over time, a pure lead anode will bend in the direction toward the work piece.  Old school platers just rotated their anodes or hammered them back into shape.  Now, tin and or antimony is used at around 5-8% to prevent or minimize this. 

Steel/iron anodes will not form the protective peroxide layer and are therefore subject to rapid attack by the chrome bath.

-Dustin Gebhardt,
CEF
Plating Engineer
Danaher Tool Group
Gastonia, NC

overchrome

Re: Hard Chrome Anodes? STEEL?

I know I still owe you an answer .... STAY TUNED.... I am having  issues with my company network

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DaveO

Re: Hard Chrome Anodes? STEEL?

The stock answer for a maximum metallic impurity level is 0.5 ounces per Gallon. This can be fudged a little by increasing your chromic acid concentration. Doing this will allow higher levels of contamination before burning occurs. Burning is an indication of metallic impurities going over the limit and reducing CE.
Dustin Gebhardt has the correct answer... porous pot(s) run regularly will easily control metallic impurities and allow the use of techniques like steel anodes and reversing before plating... handy tools!