scdavebell

Topic: having trouble plating aluminun

i just made up a new etch tank, nothing wrong there. my desmut was getting weak, so before i order new chemicals , what i did was put a heater in the desmut tank and evaporated about 5 gallons of water out of it . now thwe parts are looking the way they should look , clean when they come out of the desmut tank, next i did the same thing in the zincate tank i evaporated  water out of it as well. you can tell the parts are in fact working in both the tanks are all three of the tanks. the problem is  everything i have been nickeling [aluminum] comes out of the nickel tank with looks like  sand in the parts. on the other hand steel parts comes out perfect, this is occuring just on aluminum pieces, started about a month ago. i did a part today aluminum came out looking like sand was on the part. i also did a piece of steel , came out perfect.i sanded both parts after bead blasting buffed , polished and cleaned and this is what happens, any suggestions i dont think it is in the nickel tank ,if it were it would be on the steel parts as well..

Last edited by scdavebell (05/01/2009 - 01:33 AM)

DustinGebhardt

Re: having trouble plating aluminun

When you say the parts look like they have sand in the deposit, can you actually feel anything on the plated surface?  What alloy aluminum is this?  Extrusion, casting, forging?

-Dustin Gebhardt,
CEF
Plating Engineer
Danaher Tool Group
Gastonia, NC

michael hoke

Re: having trouble plating aluminun

what is your pre-plate process step by step ??

scdavebell

Re: having trouble plating aluminun

yes you can actually feel it on the parts, and it is not all over the pieces just here and there and it is on everything that i have been plating latley [aluminum]

scdavebell

Re: having trouble plating aluminun

i do know that my nickel tank has lost all of its wetter could this be the problem are at least contribiting to it

DustinGebhardt

Re: having trouble plating aluminun

The lack of wetter could definitely affect your plating output.  Some wetters act as dispersants, which help keep solids and debris away from the part.  A lack of a wetting agent can also cause gas pits and cause the high current areas of the part to burn, which can then release debris.  You gain nothing by not running a wetting agent.


What kind of filtration system do you have?  What is the particle retention size?  How many turns per hour do you get?  Do the parts come out good at first and then come out poorer as you continue to process work?

-Dustin Gebhardt,
CEF
Plating Engineer
Danaher Tool Group
Gastonia, NC

nicknitro

Re: having trouble plating aluminun

Smut On Titanium Parts

Q. I use a Nitric/HF bath to etch titanium. Afterwards I desmut in 45% by volume nitric acid solution. Recently I have been noticing smut on parts.  Both the etch and desmut baths are operated at room temperature. The acid concentration is fine. I analyzed the solution and found 400 ppm titanium, 20-40 ppm of sodium, aluminum, vanadium and other alloy constituents.  I also found 90 ppm of calcium.  The bath is eight years old. Any suggestions? M.R.

A. I am not sure what concentration you are operating your etch bath at or how you are measuring concentration of each acid constituent (nitric and hydrofluoric). You mention the acid concentration is fine, but if that is determined by a simple acid-base titration or (worse) a simple pH measurement that would not tell you the entire story of what is going on in the tank. The hydrofluoric acid would be the component that would be doing the majority of the etching of the titanium, not the nitric acid. The nitric acid will buffer pH and dissolve some of the other alloying constituents.

So based on your description, I suspect there could be a few potential problems with the bath. One could be that the hydrofluoric acid concentration has crept up from where it normally is or should be. As that concentration gets higher, there will be more etching of your titanium and the nitric desmut tank will have a more difficult time dissolving the residual alloying elements if the time, temperature and concentration remain the same.

The second source of the problem could be a weak desmut tank. You mention what I believe are the conditions of the etch tank, however, a weak nitric acid tank would be much less effective at smut removal. I would expect that if the tank drops below 25%, the ability to remove smut will drop off significantly. Also, you don’t mention a dump schedule or analytical results for it, but that can also build up a significant amount of dissolved metals. That would probably be the first tank to focus on and eventually dump if it cannot return to making smut-free parts.

The last item could be that the etch tank just needs to be dumped and recharged. Although the chemistry you mention did not seem to have a very high dissolved metals content given the age, eight years is a very long time to run any tank, especially one that is meant to dissolve metals by etching.