Re: Plating Line Manager Wanted - Charlotte, NC area [ Started by SFA in Job Opportunities : 3 replies ]

I hope this isn't my job being posted here!   :-)

Re: A Day in the Life of a New Metal Finishing Salesman #2 [ Started by UNC-Tarheel in General Discussion : 4 replies ]

It sounds like you are having some fun cutting your proverbial teeth.  :-) 

Re: zinc plating [ Started by chan in Zinc Plating : 2 replies ]

Are you sure they want zinc for solderability and not tin?


While searching around, I found this thread which describes zinc alloys:


http://www.finishingtalk.com/community/topic21-Zinc-Alloy-Electroplatings.html


Re: San Diego Powder Coating Course Nov 5th-6th Time is running out! [ Started by SFA in General Discussion : 1 replies ]

I wish I could get back to my hometown, but I can't.  Stay classy, San Diego!

Re: Iron determination in Nickel Sulfate [ Started by nickelhead123 in General Discussion : 1 replies ]

I'm not sure if it can be done on the scale where iron normally causes plating issues in a nickel bath.  But I can be wrong.  When we plated nickel-iron, we used the AA.  When we check our normal straight-nickel bath for iron contamination, we use the AA again.  Your vendor should be able to run this for you if you can't.

In any case, what is the problem you are having that leads you to believe the problem is iron-related?

Re: Help with problems in Ni plating [ Started by edz in Electroplating : 1 replies ]

If you are seeing nickel delamination, most likely the parts are losing their connection while in the nickel bath.  If it is the whole barrel, I would check the barrel contacts.  If it is only a few parts within the barrel, I would either add more load weight, investigate new danglers, or slow down the barrel rotation. 


If you want to make your deposit more uniform, you can reduce the amount of nickel metal in the bath.  The higher the nickel metal, the more efficient the bath is a high current densities, and the easier it is for the bath to build up larger thicknesses.  Increasing load weight and/or rotation speed can also help increase uniformity.  You can also try adding some brighteners, which on the small scale, can help reduce the buildup of metal in the high current density areas and preferentially deposit in the low current density areas.  Although brighteners can also make the deposit more deposed toward passivation, wh …

Re: Paint Adhesion Problems during repair [ Started by Ira Donovan in Painting : 3 replies ]

I couldn't tell you about the actual contents of the spec.  I searched around, but I could not find the spec for free anywhere.  Let's hope that somebody on this forum can enlighten us.

Re: Paint Adhesion Problems during repair [ Started by Ira Donovan in Painting : 3 replies ]

While I don't have the actual spec, doing a Google search came up with this spec:


GMNA GM4350M - Painted Part Performance Requirements


I would assume that this spec would cover your question.  If the bumper is plastic, this line may apply:

"For painted plastic parts only, the combinations of substrate, surface
preparation and applied paints shall use that which are shown in GM
Approved Paint on Parts Systems (APOPS) database. When APOPS testing is
performed each test must be completed on a minimum of three (3)
samples, each obtained from separate parts."


So you may be able to go to the guy that did the touch up and ask to see his proof that his paint, equipment, and pretreatment are all APOPS certified.

Re: Chrome plating blistering! [ Started by jonnyclf999 in Other : 2 replies ]

As you have already stated, the most likely SOURCE of the problem is in the plating itself.  Are you looking to fix the root cause of the problem or only address the symptoms?  In any case, here are my suggestions (I am assuming this is for decorative purposes and uses an underlying nickel layer):


1) Stainless steel is difficult to plate.  Pretreatment and activation are extremely critical.  A good degreaser is a must.  Make sure the parts shoudl no evidence of water break after acid activation.  The acid activator must be strong and fresh.  Cathodic activation is also a good idea, as are using other ingredients commonly found in a good acid salt additive.

2)  A good nickel strike is very important.  Going in with reverse current before you apply the nickel deposit can also help adhesion.

3) To minimize the effects of bimetallic expansion and contraction, you want to minimize the amount of nickel (and chrome …

Re: HEAT SPOTS ON ANODIZED ALUM EXTRUSIONS [ Started by GMO in Anodizing : 1 replies ]

I'm assuming that the heat spots you are referring to are due to the heat generated during the extrusion process?

Do you have a picture of the problem?

Have you tried annealing the part after extrusion?

What alloy is this?

What is your anodizing process?

I did a quick Google search and I keep seeing recommendations to increase the cooling on the runout table.

Re: what is the best dummy for reel to reel electroplating [ Started by eddy_kuan55 in Electroplating : 9 replies ]

The plastic may work to begin your process and get the product down the line, but I thought you needed it to help you set the bath parameters?

Re: paint over electroless ni or other nickel coating [ Started by rahgozar in General Discussion : 1 replies ]

For the utmost in paint adhesion, you typically want 2 things:

1) A clean surface.  Usually a solvent degreaser or auqueous cleaner is used to remove any dirt and oils.

2) A micro/macroscopically rough surface for maximum paint adhesion.  Many painters use media blasting to get this surface.  There are also some other means to get this, but they typically don't apply to nickel substrates.

With nickel (and most other metals) you also have to deal with oxidation.  Media blasting can remove the majority of the oxidation.  You can also try acid dip the part.  There are additives that you can use with the acid to help remove oxides.  In a best case scenario, you can also try running reverse current through the acid bath, which drastically eliminates the oxide.

Re: what is the best dummy for reel to reel electroplating [ Started by eddy_kuan55 in Electroplating : 9 replies ]

When using a "dummy" as you describe, it is pretty common for the dummy to become built up with plating and eventually it becomes useless.  This is the nature of the dummy.  It is a disposable part.


To answer your question, I don't think there is a better dummy than what you are using.  You want a dummy that is a close to your raw material as possible in order to best duplicate how the good material will run in your process.

Re: colour not matching within the jigs. [ Started by stevenclus in Anodizing : 1 replies ]

Most likely, this is due to unequal current density on the parts.  I would expect that the darker parts are closer to the cathodes?  I suspect that the portion of the part that is closest to the cathode is getting more current, which is building up a thicker anodize film (oxide layer). 


Are you dying the parts after anodizing them?  Dying the oxide film can be tricky, but usually you can increase the time in the anodize bath to help smooth out any inconsistencies.  


If you are not dying the parts, I would greatly suggest that you try to make the part equal-distant from the cathodes or use auxiliary cathodes.


More info might help us.  What type of anodizing is this?  Type I, II, or III?  What is your process?  Seal type?

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Re: Corrosion Protection on Stapings - Help required [ Started by mustang35thann in Other : 1 replies ]

I don't think I've seen your exact setup, but I've done similar processes.  What seems to be the problem/question?

Re: what is the best dummy for reel to reel electroplating [ Started by eddy_kuan55 in Electroplating : 9 replies ]

You can also try a continuous external dummy. 

Re: Bright Zinc plate w/Clear Chromate [ Started by rjsunthar in Zinc Plating : 1 replies ]

If the stains are not easily removed, then it is possible that the stains were formed during or immediately after the plating process.  Remember that the chromate film is very soft for the first 24 to 48 hours.  Make sure you are handling the parts after plating with clean gloves and change them frequently.  It might also be possible (but very highly unlikely) that the fingerprints are under the zinc.  To check for good precleaning, check the parts as they leave the acid.  The parts should show no signs of waterbreak.  If the water sheet does break, the part is not clean.  Again, I think this is highly unlikely, as it would generally also show up as poor adhesion.

As for the white stains, it is possible that the chromate is corroding, which will leave a white residue.  It is also possible that there is some contaminant in/on the chromate that is causing it to prematurely fail.  Again, I would guess that somewhere in your handling pr …

Re: Aluminium anodizing - Chromate seal troubleshooting [ Started by Mister D in Anodizing : 3 replies ]

How do you know you are at the limit for chromic acid?  How are you analyzing for chromic acid?  Is this a bath that is supplied by an outside vendor?  If so, have you contacted them?


In my experience, you make up a chromate seal bath at 5% using sodium chromate or potassium chromate.  The pH is then adjusted using either NaOH/KOH or acetic acid (glacial) to a range of 5.5-6.0.  If you use NaOH, be sure to use rayon grade or lab grade (1.0N generally works for small adjustments).  Temp should be around 200 or more.  


If I recall correctly, we ended up using a bunch of the acetic acid to control the pH while the bath was not in use.  We had 2 x 4 gallon cases of the stuff on hand for a 80gal tank.

Re: Aluminium anodizing - Chromate seal troubleshooting [ Started by Mister D in Anodizing : 3 replies ]

Are you using a good quality pH probe and meter?  Is the solution tested hot or allowed to cool to room temperature or does your pH probe have automatic temperature calibration?  Is the bath agitated? 


You say the bath is out of control.  Can you please elaborate so we might be able to better help you.

Re: etching alumunum [ Started by hammerhead in Pre-Treatment : 3 replies ]

Phosphating is generally considered the best pretreatment for powdercoating.  It provides the mechanical bonding of abrasive blasting with cleaning superior to solvents.

Re: Electronic monitoring? [ Started by Barb in Electroplating : 3 replies ]

I was looking for chloride (nickel chloride) and nickel metal for my nickel and tin/nickel baths.  I was also looking for tin for my tin/nickel topcoat.


The auto titrator was around 30k, I believe.  Then you add the autosampler, plus dosing pump and logic.  And then you have installation and perhaps some engineering with that.  I figured that it would be close to 100k by the time it was all said and done.

Re: Electronic monitoring? [ Started by Barb in Electroplating : 3 replies ]

I've looked into this sort of thing in the past.  About the only I could come up with was an Autotitrator with an autosampler that took samples from the bath.  The titrator would then communicate with a PLC or some other sort of relay logic to trigger a dosing pump.  The process would repeat at a certain time interval.  Unfortunately, the cost was very prohibitive in my case.  I estimated the complete setup to cost somewhere close to US$100,000.00. 

And that was just for 1 parameter.  Plus, you still have to calibrate the unit every so often.

Re: Recurring Powder Defect [ Started by jfieker in Powder Coating : 12 replies ]

With a strange problem like this, it is often helpful to break the steps down (just like you have) and go through them with a fine-toothed comb.  I agree with Travis that this is probably not a cure related item, per se.  What I mean is that it is probably not related to temperature or time.  Let's create a simple test procedure and see what happens:

1) Isolate the cleaning process by cleaning the heck out of the part.  Go over the part 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 times instead of the normal process.  Make sure you are using good spray wand practices by cleaning it starting at the top and working your way down.  Rinse the part several times and watch for water breaks.  Apply the seal the same way.  It can also help if there is a supervisor or, better yet, a manager present to oversee this.  Employees have a tendency to do things differently when "nobody's looking", right Travis.  By the way, Travis, you have a great story that i …

Re: Electro- Zinc plating and Trivalent Chromate finsh [ Started by jojo_wj1107 in Zinc Plating : 1 replies ]

I typical zinc/chromate coating can be tested for corrosion resistance in a neutral salt spray chamber.  You can also use one of the accelerated tests, too, but much more common is the neutral.  The first sign of failure will be "white rust" caused by the chromate failure.  A low grade chromate should last 12 to 24 hours.  High-end chromates and/or chromates with topcoats can go over 120 hours to white rust.  The next failure mode is red rust.  The time to red rust is a function of the zinc thickness.  The more zinc, the longer the part should last before significant red rust.  Hundreds of hours is not uncommon.


To perform the test, you will need a salt spray chamber and all the ancillary equipment.  There might be a local shop that already has one in your area if you don't want to purchase a unit.

Re: Recurring Powder Defect [ Started by jfieker in Powder Coating : 12 replies ]

You say that there are brackets welded to the back of the panel.  Do the wrinkles appear behind the brackets?


Looking at the photos, you say that the blemish occurs above a certain line.  Are you certain that there is nothing in your oven that could be disturbing the powder?  Or even something between your painting area to the oven?  Is your oven a batch oven or continuous?  What type of heat source?