Re: Rissing sulphate levels [ Started by JASON in Electroplating : 7 replies ]

Jason,

The incoming city water is a definite concern for you.  The incoming levels will concentrate as you continue to add back water for evaporation.

As for your contaminants, I do not think those will contribute to any sulfate issues.  Are you using a porous pot or dummy cell to control your contaminants and trivalent chrome?  This is common practice for most hard chrome operations to extend bath life.

Regards,

Ira Donovan, M.S.F.

Burns & McDonnell Engineering.

Re: Rissing sulphate levels [ Started by JASON in Electroplating : 7 replies ]

The most common sources are incoming water (city or DI) and drag-in.  Depending on your location, the city water provided at the tap may have levels of sulfates that will build over time in your tank.  DI water should be clean, however there are those cases where people regenerate their resins with sulfuric acid.  Due to insufficient backwashing, there can be an initial slug of dilute sulfuric in the make-up water.

Finally, drag-in is commonly due to poor rinsing after a sulfuric acid pickle.  Another potential source could be entrapped pickle solution in blind holes or recesses that is not being effectively rinsed.  Along the same lines, if your racks or fixtures have peeling plastisol or other coatings, pickle solution can become entrapped in those locations as well.

I hope this helps.

Ira Donovan, M.S.F.

Burns & McDonnell Engineering. 

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Re: Paint Adhesion Problems during repair [ Started by Ira Donovan in Painting : 3 replies ]

Dustin,

Does the spec reference any tape spec?  For example 200 PSI, which is common for some aerospace applications.  I can order tape from 3M if I knew the specific requirement, as I am sure they did not do any testing on the repaired portion.

I am knida looking forward to the look on the guys face when I do the test in front of him.  If I was mean, I would ask him if I could do it on one of his new cars, but the liability is too great.  So, just looking for the ammo to make my case.

Thanks for the info provided though.

Ira

Topic: Paint Adhesion Problems during repair [ Started by Ira Donovan in Painting : 3 replies ]

Hi all,

Most know me, but I am inquiring into an issue that I have limited proof and data in addressing.  Most autos are processed through a coating process during manufacture, most likely ecoating.  I have a client that had an "accident" where a vehicle backed into a door panel.  the door panel was replaced and panel "blended in."  Apparently, the hood and bumper was also replaced in the repair. 

There are now paint adhesion issue on the bumper for which the dealer claims they are "rock chips."  Obviously, I can tell the difference, but does anyone have any data on the adhesion requirements for Saturn or other GM products.  I do not have any specs, but if I had a QA\QC reference, I could perform a tape adhesion test to prove that the issue is an adhesion issue and not an impact issue.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,

Ira

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Re: Nickel Fluoroborate Electroplating [ Started by nickelhead123 in General Discussion : 1 replies ]

One formulation that I have had success with is:

Nickel Fluoborate - 250 g\L

Nickel Chloride - 8 g\L

Boric Acid - 20 g\L

pH - 3.2

The nickel chloride is necessary for proper anode dissolution.

The boric is for pH buffering.

Good Luck!

Ira Donovan, M.S.F.

Re: Chromate coating for 40 ft long Aluminum Extrusions [ Started by Alumjoe in Marketplace : 1 replies ]

Alum Joe,

Try Metal Improvement Company out of Bensalem, PA.  Contact is Ken Smolko 215-638-0888 x15.  Tell him I referred you.

Topic: Aerospace Plating Facilities for sale [ Started by Ira Donovan in Marketplace : 0 replies ]

I have a client that is evaluating building a new facility or purchasing an existing facility. Does anyone know of any facilities that may be for sale in the Southeastern US or Florida?

Re: Calendar Works! [ Started by zurv in Forum Announcements : 2 replies ]

Zurv,

Please remove the previous post!

Ira

Re: Sustainable DesignLEED for Metal Finishing Facilities [ Started by Ira Donovan in General Discussion : 2 replies ]

I am curious who out there is interested in sustainable design for their facilities. This is primarily to reduce their carbon footprint on society and the environment. I am about to author a paper on the subject and would like some input from the industry.

Any comments are welcome!

Ira Donovan, M.S.F.

Re: 15gal Tri-crome kit bargain [ Started by harris11 in Marketplace : 5 replies ]

Harris,

By cooking it down to just crystals, you have broken down all of the organics. Any knowledgeable plater would know that the crystals, even after replenishment with DI water, are basically useless.

Your only hope in recovering cost is to ship your waste to a TSD and sell the remaining for scrap. You may get some money for your rectifier. Your tanks will go for pennies on the dollar.

Please be careful with the chromic acid as the dust can cause serious harm.

I was not trying to be joker in as much as your advertisement. I can appreciate you wanting to recover your costs from an experiment, however you purchased chemicals and equipment for a purpose and the consequences with them. I do not know if you were honestly duped, however there are strict regulations by the EPA and state and local officials regarding our sacred practice.

With that said and as Skelton alluded to, you may be able to find someone that can help you transfer your supplies with or without ris …

Re: Ultrasonic Cleaning of Engine Parts [ Started by chrisbyers2005 in General Discussion : 1 replies ]

Chris,

Ultrasonic cleaning is a great tool if utilized effectively. First and foremost, ultrasonics add a chemically related mechanical action to clean parts. The chemistry you use directly impacts the results you actually receive. You would need a good aqueous cleaner that would bind up any oils and greases that come off. So lid particles should settle at the bottom of the tank. In the case of heavy rust or scale, you may need to pickle first.

It is important to note that solutions between aluminum blocks and cast iron blacks may not be compatible. Check with your supplier or an expert if there are questions.

Re: 15gal Tri-crome kit bargain [ Started by harris11 in Marketplace : 5 replies ]

I will have to side on Skelton on this one. I would buy it for a dollar if you are willing to pay the HazMat fees to ship it. No waste allowed! At this point any brighteners and levelers are all broken down. Not worth much.

Let me know.

Re: Free Ebook about Metal Finishing [ Started by dayat11 in Other : 4 replies ]

Hey Zurv,

I know that the metal finishing guide book used to be online. I think it is on metalfinishing.com. I am not sure if you have to register to download.

Ira Donovan, M.S.F.

Re: Starting in plating [ Started by bandit-kustoms in Electroplating : 12 replies ]

Bandit,

I apologize fi I offended. More often than not, I get inquiries from garage junkies that are looking to get instant results.

If you are serious in starting up a shop, then there are a couple of concerns that I must present to you. First, setting up a shop, is going to require time as the permitting process, ventilation qualification, and inspection process can take from 6 months to a year to complete.

Second, if you have not had experience in plating, plan on having to invest in proprieary chemistries initially until you have an understanding of the process.

Third, unless you can purchase a used system, the capital cost of a new processing line, may be overwhelming. The last "new" system I was involved in for chrome processing was slightly over $2 million. This is can be prohibitve for many.

If I or anyone else can be of help, please feel free to ask as many questions as you like, and we can try to answer.

Ira Donovan, M.S.F. …

Re: Bonding to electroless nickel [ Started by Nick in Electroless Plating : 6 replies ]

Just to add my own twist to thew complexity of EN coatings, there is the boron based coatings. For actual coating of substrate, there are distinct differences between the phosphorus based and boron based solutions. There are too many variables to identify the epoxy adhesion characteristics to a given coating that has chemical variations within eery 15minutes of coating.

I would recommend an article that I published with the AESF two years ago comparing the propoerties of hard anodizing and electroless nickel plating. This can now be found at [url]www.nasf.org[/url] under proceedings.

Ira DOnovan, M.S.F.

Re: Commodity Prices Lifted by Weak Dollar [ Started by skelton in Marketplace : 1 replies ]

Hey Skelton,

I know you are close to the market. We have been seeing alot of variations in the market from the construction side. Do you have any info on long term predictions, say 5 years, on the metals market?

We see that we cannot get anyone to holde prices more than 30 or 60 days based onthe fluctuations. I know it is volitle, and there is apprehension in the air.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Ira DOnovan, M.S.F.

Re: Class 4 Phosphate [ Started by recumbentbiker in Other : 4 replies ]

Recument Biker,

I apologize for my delay in responding, but I have been bidding on a large project. There are two things that influence the corrosion resistance of manganese phosphate.

First, the grain structure of your phospate. Finer grain structure, in my experience, will yield higher corrosion resistance.

Second, an appropriate passivation step, i.e. chromic acid dip. This dip first stops the phospating reaction and then passivates the exposed free iron.

Some of the new treatments, includes the use of water soluble oils, to further enhance corrosion resitance.

I hope this helps you in your troubles.

Ira Donovan, M.S.F

Re: Hi there everyone [ Started by eboireau in General Discussion : 3 replies ]

Welcome back to the industry. Paul and company have set up this site to be an open forum for the industry to discuss their ideas, concerns, and experiences. I hope we can assist you in redeveloping your interest in your shop and the industry in America.

Feel free to post questions and comments, and I am sure you will receive candid responses.

Hope to hear from you.

Ira Donovan, M.S.F.

Re: Starting in plating [ Started by bandit-kustoms in Electroplating : 12 replies ]

The cheapest way to chome your wheels is to take them to a local job shop to have them processed. Although you have the metal plating bible, you are probably not in possession of the EPA regulations that govern the metal finishing industry regarding air and water discharges. By processing these in your "garage" you may face fines and penalties of up to $25,000/day and even jail time.

The process of re-chroming wheels is a mixture of science and art, and should only be performed by an experienced plater. It is most likely, that you will not get it right the first time, second time or third time. Our industry has invested time, technology, and money in providing America with the finest finishes, despite the overwhelming regulations and costs of manufacture.

I appreciate your interest in the process, and applaude you if you are willing to invest the time and money to open a shop. But if this is just for a set of wheels for you or a friend, I would recommend you pony up with  …

Re: Finishing Talk Live - Episode 1 - Watch It Now!! [ Started by zurv in Finishing.TV : 4 replies ]

Awesome first show guys! Can't wait for the next one.

See you at the show!

Re: MIL-DTL-5541-F use or not use type I [ Started by AERHEAD2 in General Discussion : 4 replies ]

Dear AERHEAD2,

The major differences between the Class 1A and 3 have to do with the electrical resitace properties of the coating. The Class 3 may appear slightly lighter in color due to the difference in film thickness. Both coatings shall meet the overall corrosion resistance qualities, however the class 3 will have a lower electrical resistance, thus is frequently used in mating applications for conductivity.

Re: Bright dip for brass silver articles [ Started by rajaram60 in General Discussion : 5 replies ]

Hi rajaram60.

One formulation for bright dipping of copper alloys is:

Sulfuric Acid 50%/vol.
Nitric Acid 20%/vol
Hydrochloric Acid 0.5 oz/gal.
DI Water Balance

The nitric and sulfuric can be adjusted based on the alloy you are processing. I would experiment with samples prior to processing valuable articles.

Good Luck.

Re: Nickel Purification Equipment [ Started by CaptainTripz in Electroplating : 5 replies ]

Captain,

As a consultant to the industry, I have seen hundreds of decorative and functional plating facilities. I make it a point to keep up on the technological advances to reduce costs to companies such as yourself. I have seen various devices and schemes used to reduce the need to maintain baths on a regular basis. Some work okay and others are useless based on first hand knowledge or feedback from clients. In my position to the industry, I am unbiased to any vendor or product line, as I am here to serve my clients.

With that said, I have seen systems that reduce maintenance cost by continuous carbon filtration that can be adjusted to the bath usage and contaminant build-up. It was basically a "use until spent" system which was not monitored, thus increased analytical costs were required.

Another system was installed to reduce loading to the industrial wastewater treatment system by removing the nickel. It was later modified to produce a lower current density to provi …

Re: Splash Anodizing [ Started by Southern Metal Finishing in Anodizing : 3 replies ]

There are two methods. One that is labor intensive involves various layers of masking. The other is a proprietary process where by the dyes are mixed but insoluble. Either method will require a consultants fee or licensing.

Re: Professional Services [ Started by Ira Donovan in Marketplace : 0 replies ]

Burns & McDonnell provides professional engineering services to the suface finishing community.

Burns & McDonnell understands your surface finishing needs. We have been consulting, designing and building surface finishing facilities for more than 60 years. From concept to construction; from operation to optimization, we have the expertise to provide an integrated solution for your project from start to finish.

Our Services
- Professional architectural engineering services
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Our process experience includes:
- Chemical and mechanical cleaning
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